sycdan's profile

Really cool, good work!

Thanks for doing that, Firebird! I shall follow the discussion closely.

My thinking with regard to what "Whenever you are able to use a card with the keyword botany" would be in line with Kornetmuse -- "When this plant can be seen on your Terrain card". Othewise, say your only botany cards were red seaweed and the terrocokus one , could you only turn terrocokus into red seaweed when you That would seem overly restrictive.

I had another thought to add to the confusion:

What if you have red seaweed (and it's the only plant visible plant on your terrain) and another botany card that has a brown crafting effect (sorry, I don't know the codes for the proper icons), does the act of using the latter card "instead" through Keelan's ability mean that you no longer apply the effect of the red seaweed to get the vine resource? I would think not, since if you re-examine the game state, the red seaweed is still visible and so that botany card is still usable. Which leads me to the conclusion that each usage of Keelan's ability puts kindof a copy of another botany card "in suspense" as you said, waiting for something to come along that could actually make use of it. And since everything in the game is built around the concept of a "turn" that encapsulates an "action", I would have to assume that the intent was that these suspended abilities expire after the current turn is over. This also leads me to believe that you could indeed discard a vigilance card and then just not make use of the suspended ability.

Who'd have thought this ability could be so complex?!

I'm fairly sure that the answer to 1) is No and the answer to 2) is Yes. My group really wanted to have 1) be Yes though, so we ran it that way for a couple of actions, but I think I'm gonna suggest not continuing that usage. Still, any other opinions ('specially from a dev! nudge nudge) would be welcome!

I'm curious whether there has been an official ruling on the specifics of how Keelan's ability functions... I shall elaborate with an example:

Assuming these things are true:

• You have the red seaweed botany card
  Small spoiler

  ×that gives you the vine resource
  
  
• You have a botany card featuring fragonia
  Small spoiler

  ×(for example the one that gives you a hunt success)
  
  
• You have 1 vigilance card in hand
  
• Keelan's ability can be used any time a plant you know something about is visible on your terrain card (not just when you would be able to use the effect of botany card) -- do we know this is the case? Seems logical to me.
  
• You have 2 item skill cards in hand that could use vine to craft
  

1. Could you discard your vigilance card to turn the fragonia into red seaweed and then craft both items
   Small spoiler

   ×using the vine resource from red seaweed
   ? Or just one, and then you'd need to discard another vigilance card
   Small spoiler

   ×to get a discount on the second one
   ? (which surely wouldn't be worth it).
   
   
2. Also, could you discard a vigilance card to get the option of using red seaweed but then not actually do anything with it? This would just be to make space on a vigilance stack.
   

Apologies for the necro, but it seemed to make more sense than starting a new thread.

Very much, thanks Bruno!

Relatedly, again in A Prison of Clouds, if you have a situation where there is a revealed terrain (white) card both to the north and south of the balloon's current position, and the current weather card makes it easier to leave to the south, can you pay the cost for south but then go north, as it's connected?

I believe that the rules would allow this, however it means following the rules as written and possibly not as intended.

Also, it's not explicit in the white box rules supplement, but I assume you cannot pick a direction on the weather card where there is not currently a revealed terrain card, meaning the "loophole" I mentioned cold not always be used.

Overburdened says -- to me, this means

Frozen says -- though this is worded in the same way as Overburdened, it somehow doesn't feel right to take the first choice

Okay, yes, that makes a lot of sense actually! I was apparently trying to read way more into it that necessary. Thanks for making me realise my silliness.

There are some temporary events that state "The active player must perform the following action alone" and others that use the phrase "Only the active player is forced to take the following action". Since all (I think) actions on temporary events are mandatory to begin with, the latter phrasing seems to be redundant unless "only the active player" means the exact same thing as "the active player alone" in this context, which then begs the question of why use the different verbiage? We have been playing both of these types of cards the same way (the active player is the only one involved in the action), but I'm curious if there's been an official statement about the matter.

You nailed it -- that's exactly where my head is at. We've been tending to play these slightly ambiguous things in a way that doesn't make our lives easier, but I do wonder what B & L actually envisioned in this case, if it even came up..

I don't have the cards in front of me, but this situation came up during a game earlier: we had the G1334 weather card and the bonus card. G1334 says something along the lines of . If you are adjacent

Okay, that makes sense. If it weren't for this recent business about Anjika I wouldn't have even thought twice about it (and indeed was initially playing it as you both suggest), due to the golden rule, but that's now making me question my gut feelings. Thanks for putting me back on track -- I shall play it as written!

Yeah, that's what I thought, and the way I've been playing it, it just didn't seem to be covered explicitly in the rules (except I guess by its very omission, since the rules are very comprehensive...) so just wanted see what the consensus was. Thank you both!

This card says:

Can you craft one of your character-specific items and then give it to someone else (to create a new item stack or combine with an existing one), since it's no longer in anyone's hand? For example, could Dmitri craft his Bamboo Armor and then give it to Eliot to wear?

If you choose the side of the discard pile holder that says "A thought for those who died on the first expedition", you get a locked 1/1 pray action that you can take whenever a grave is visible on your terrain card, which says (on success): "Each involved character any discard any number of cards with the keyword will from their hand and/or inventory. For each card discarded this way, randomly take 2 cards from the Discard Pile and shuffle them back into the Action Deck."

My question is: are the discarded will cards intended to be eligible to be shuffled back in, or are they only discarded after you pick the cards? For example, if your Discard Pile contains only 1 card when you use this action, does it end up with 1 card in it (the will card you discarded) or 0?

The similarity of this effect to Anjika Patel's ability, combined with the fact that Bruno stated that Anjika's ability was not intended to allow you to choose the same card that you discarded makes me think that once cannot shuffle back in the discarded will card, but I'm interested to know how others play this.

They mean that for each of those resources you have access to (and decide to use) when performing the action, for example , you may reduce the card cost by 2. It the exact same mechanic as is used when crafting items.

Granted I have not yet played with Anjika, but I would think that removing her ability to clear cards out of item stacks would be a significant enough nerf as to make her not worth choosing to begin with. So I would agree with this -- "a different card" instead of "1 card".

That's the way it I view it, since .

Okay, I see what you mean. Perhaps this section from page 18 of the rules needs some clarification:



I always interpreted it as "on the active player's Terrain card". I guess it could be ambiguous if you're looking at it in an abstract way, but in the context of your explorers actually walking from one area to another, it wouldn't make any sense to look at the arrow on some other terrain card that just happens to touch the exploration card on another side.

If you read the example on page 18, it says
This makes it more clear, but it should be in the actual rules text I think.