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jhaelen wrote: [To the contrary, it absolutely must state a restriction, otherwise the text will definitely always apply. It would be clear if it stated "When this card is drawn from the adventure deck..." This is incorrect under the rules. The rulebook quite clearly states that you resolve the text of cards when you draw them from the adventure deck. It doesn't need a timing to apply then, because the rules say it applies. The rules do not say to resolve text of cards when you draw them from the action deck -- it is quite clear, on page 12, that the normal thing to do with those cards is just to count their stars. Normally, no text on the cards you draw applies during this phase, and if you play that it does, it causes some other weirdness, like being able to discard Forewarned is Forearmed for an extra star immediately after it is drawn for another  on the check you drew it.The few abilities that do trigger during that phase, including the Flying Roots card and the second (but not the first) ability of 180, trigger because they specifically say they do. I would support errataing this card as you describe, because every couple weeks some poor kid posts about how confusing 180 is, but it is wrong to be resolving the text on cards when you draw them from the action deck. jhaelen wrote: So, you are 'pretty sure'. Pretty sure isn't good enough, imho. Because I'm pretty sure that you're wrong and my interpretation is fully supported by the game rules. "Pretty sure" is the extent of my authority. I didn't design 7C, I don't and cannot know for sure what they were thinking. I can't make official rulings. But I've played hundreds of hours, I know the rules well, including recently studying them in detail specifically to look for evidence for another discussion of this question. Within those limits, there is not a doubt in my mind. I do not believe this card is ambiguous. I am as certain as I can be without an official ruling that it works as I describe. I doubt that's "good enough" either, but it would blow my mind if Bruno showed up and said I'm wrong about this. Gamebreaking is relative, and certainly on it's own shouldn't be taken to mean it couldn't work that way. Loads of gamebreaking stuff absolutely does work under the rules, like Dark Side combo. I merely mean that, faced with a choice between two interpretations for what a minor magic item is supposed to do, one of which provides a small but solid bonus, the other of which completely outclasses every other source of healing in the game, including major relics, and renders the core hunting system almost obsolete, I think the first one is more likely the one they intended. That's all. I'm definitely not trying to tell anybody how to play their game. You can do whatever makes sense to you, or whatever makes the game more fun to you, or just whatever you want. 7C's great about that, it's almost always fine to just play it your way. But I'm confident in my interpretation of the rules.
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Rules citations on  being "active" in your hand:-Page 10 (You can take actions on in hand, explicitly, implicitly you can't take them on in any other zone)-Pages 5 and 16 (What a state does/how to get rid of it is explained on the card) Rules citations on effects other than actions existing: -Pages 4, 5, 6, and 7 where they label virtually every rules text zone on every card type "effects and/or available actions" -Pages 14, 15, and 16, which elaborate on a wide variety of processes for taking and resolving cards, most of which involve resolving text on those cards that is not a part of any specific action. For example, a  temporary event explicitly tells you to resolve it's text -- that text isn't usually wrapped in an action box, it isn't necessarily taken during an action, it is resolved when you draw the temporary event because these rules tell you to do so.Rules citations on cards being "live" when drawn from the adventure deck and not from the action deck, by default: -Pages 14, 15, and 16 (Just about everything has some kind of "life" when drawn from the adventure deck) -Page 12 (No mention of reading or resolving text is made when discussing drawing cards from the action deck, counting results, etc) Rules we don't have that we really probably should: -A rule formally stating that the backs of cards, before they have been "revealed" properly and have had their types established, can have rules text and not just flavor text. This is extremely obvious, but probably should be mentioned -- that text box is explicitly called flavor text in several places, which seems a little wrong. -A rule formally stating that you can use non-action effects and abilities on any card where you could take an action. This seems likely, but is not well-defined at all. Non-action abilities have been given neither a default timing nor any default zone restrictions. Most (but not all) define timing, but zone restrictions are pretty rare, and both of these should be defined explicitly. If you're looking for a rules citation specifically talking about text being "active" and "inactive" you won't find one. That's only exists as a formal system in the minds of people like you (and me) trying to make 7C make more sense as a formal rules system. There's no sign of any such notion in the rules system itself, not really. It's made pretty obvious that there are places where you can use cards (like your hand) and places where you can't (like the Banished pile) but the only place it's really spelled out for you in the rules is in the list of places you can take actions. Formally, there's no reason that would have to apply to non-action effects, which are different in many other ways. The closest you are likely to get is "card text overrides the rules" and numerous other rules suggesting that the cards do, in fact, do what they say they do, and that that ability does, in fact, extend to setting unusual timings. This is essentially because 7C isn't set up as a formal system in that way. If you get down into it, there's thousands of technical ambiguities and missing details. There's a little bit of formal detail in the action structure, but that isn't what really drives the engine. "Do what the cards say" is the rule that drives the engine. In general, if you just take a step back and do that, the ambiguities will be more or less resolved. In this example, most of the other interpretations of 180, if we're honest with ourselves, only make sense to someone being deliberately obtuse. It is not really that ambiguous what 180 actually does, the only point of confusion that isn't based on a more formal understanding of the rules than the actual rules have is the unfortunate use of "shuffle back into the action deck" instead of "shuffle into the action deck" as the standard template for shuffle effects.
There is a terrain card with features that resemble his cryptic rantings. Multiplying the number of "teeth" on the card by the number from his hint gives you a hidden number.  (Somewhat unusually, it doesn't check that you actually have the hint -- if you remember it you can skip talking to the old man, or take the other option.)The terrain card in question can be found in the snowy area north of the jungle.
If there are no curses in the discard, sudden death can't kill you. You can draw the whole deck + the whole discard pile, succeed any unlocked check for 40+
, and keep your choice of any  card. The downside, of course, is that drawing the whole deck leaves you with an empty action deck. But if your action deck was already empty, or close to it, you can get a solid power spike out of it right before you eat. And Dark Side's a  ability, you can trigger it repeatedly to keep the deck in this deeply-exploitable "dark side state" for longer.Combined with a way to  or  indefinitely without drawing cards, (there are a few,) you have one of 7C's many infinite combos. You can put the deck into the Dark Side state repeatedly, draw the whole discard pile repeatedly, keep stuff like Examine the Notes and Knowledge is Power and play them an unlimited number of times for infinite 050s, infinite experience, etc. You can build items in any combination, buy all the advanced skills... If Anjika's in the party you can take all the non-predator 150s and 250s... Anything you can get from a card, pretty much, you can get in unlimited quantities. In the end, if you buy all the advanced skills, you don't even have to finish the combo with an empty deck -- if you draw the whole deck, including advanced skills, on one action, the Fit advanced skill can heal you, like, 50 cards.Infinite combos are 100% allowed under the rules, but obviously getting infinite everything is pretty gamebreaking and probably you shouldn't use them. (Although personally I think it's worth doing at least once.) But that shouldn't stop anyone using finite uses of the Dark Side state to their full power. You can, for example, allow your action deck to run out and allow Tired to build up on the whole party. Then, before you eat, use Raft to drop Tireds one at a time, put the deck in the dark side state, get a guaranteed success on your next action and a free Remember. This way you get a few more actions out of your deck, and rather than shuffling all your best cards away where even Remember can't find them, you get to sculpt your hand before your shuffle.
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actions, the Botany card has an ability that says you can only use this