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Is it allowed to take an action that would place a fire token down on a space when there's one there already?

I can't find anything in the rules that would prohibit this, though I'm not sure why you would want to.

I can think of three reasons. Say you have and made a fire there, then you have the you might want to use that item on the spot that gives the discount.

Secondly, you might want to use a fire creation item such that it discards from a full stack in order to make room for something else.

And finally there's a pretty game breaking exploit if you're patient. Once you have and you're on an appropriate area .
Here's how it works

If you can be bothered, you can use this

I'm not familiar with that card yet (I've only played half a session) but this may violate the rule that you must finish one action before starting another. The key would be if using the second card counts as interrupting an action in process (e.g. using the first card).

Would love to hear feedback from a moderator/creator on this one as I just noticed this exploit myself. Was this intended by the developers?

If allowed,

Another mild exploit with Victor Frankenstein I've used is:


To be more specific, for this you need cards:


A possible fix is to:

I may just add this rule myself to avoid breaking the game.

For the Frankenstein one, remember that the skill card that gives +2 stars is discarded after use, so you can't just chain it.

Nothing in the rule prevents that.

Besides, especially in a coop game, if you want to break down your pleasure with the game by breaking it... then that's your call. Note that you're never forced to seek every possibility to break it, but just play with what is "logical" :).


But I disagree with the the auto picked card. It is very different to fight against the odds a million time to get the card you want than just pick it. Doing this, you're cheating and not respecting the rules. If you want to exploit the fire case ok but let's play it fair, drawing again and again until getting the card you want. It is very boring but this is why this is not too breaky, because you just can't support doing that for just one card you're maybe never see this way :).

I asked the author :


He didn't rule on a possible exploit problem, so I suppose there's no problem.

Thanks Firebird. Appreciate the response.

I'll definitely reconsider my stance on actually drawing cards or not for the make fire exploit. I died anyway last night and was never able to even consider using it, for what it's worth. Definitely could come in handy with a low Action deck but you know a critical card is sitting in there like Remember or Bolas.

Personally, I really enjoy finding cleaver things do in games and am usually very careful with the rules as written. Exploit or cleaver strategy is a matter of opinion. Thanks for talking me down though, this fire thing felt like an exploit, but now I'm convinced that it's legit if you put in the time. Maybe doing a few draws every time I pass through in that situation would be worth the extra shot at luck, for example.

I'll double check Frankenstein, it's quite possible I misread the card and was playing wrong. The more I play the more thing I find that I have done wrong, some in my favor and others against. Loving the game so far and exploring the world. I was laughing so hard when I found and used the card last night while working on VG.

For Frankenstein's cards, the -2 is a passive ability, but the 2 one is not. It's a common mistake for people to read the first one they see carefully, then assume the other one is the same when it's not.

I really think this rule should be implemented. feels totally broken with this allowed. You can literally pick your perfect hand from the discard pile if the Will Remember is in there.