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Frankenstein's character ability doesn't specify when it can be used to recover one of his character-specific skills. It's formatted exactly like the 'saving throw' abilities, all of which can be used during checks, so it's very plausible to me that you could use it during a check.

If so, that means you can get back Obey! (the successes one, not the discount one) from the discard pile exactly when you need it to pass a check. That's pretty powerful, and he already has an increased hand size (presumably) to make room for all the character-specific skills he has to carry, so it feels like that might not be intended.

Are you supposed to be able to use that ability during a check?



Vaguely related question: If (for example) Lovecraft uses the last durability on his Serenity stack during a check, those cards aren't actually discarded until the end of the check. That means he can still discard a Serenity card from that stack to turn curses into successes for that check, right?


Another vaguely related sub-question: Can you use a character ability more than one time per check? For example, can the doctor discard 4 stamina cards for 2 stars? More importantly, can Lovecraft discard 3 serenity cards after drawing 2 curses for 6 successes? If it's once per ability per check, how does that work with Ferdinand's ability that restarts the check? If he has more stealth cards to discard can he keep trying again, considering it's technically a new check each time?

I only bought the bare minimum number of sleeves, but now I'm thinking I'd like to sleeve the fog decks, and I've already broken a couple and I know someday I'm going to want some spares...

Is there anywhere to get more, maybe add them on to my wave 2 shipment somehow? There's 3rd party sleeves that fit the cards just fine, but then my sleeves wouldn't match...

I think you're probably right about that, which would also provide a 'reason' why discarded cards count for Blue Fish, if anybody was looking for one: any other Blue Fish cards have already been returned by the time Blue Fish checked if they were revealed, so if they needed to "still be revealed" Blue Fish's ability would do nothing.

Thanks! Much appreciated.






With or without this rule Bloody has about the same impact. If you draw only 1 hunt result, and it isn't a predator, you lose it. If you draw only 2 hunt results, and either is a predator, you're going to have to fight a predator. If you draw 3 or more, you can discard one and still have a choice of 2, so unless you draw a bunch of predators at once it usually just lets you discard Empty Handed and other low-quality non-predator results from the results deck.

Basically, it doesn't make all your hunt attempts uniformly worse. It ruins your cheap/easy/unprepared hunting options so badly you're basically forced to expend resources to get large numbers of successes, but it doesn't continue to punish you once you do. This is mostly consistent with that, the blue fish bonus mostly happens when you're drawing a lot of fishing results.

It is pretty rare to see a ruling come down on the side of making the game easier though.

I've heard that flavor argument already. It makes sense, but as is the way of flavor arguments, an equally good one can be made going the other direction. That's why I'm not looking for any more flavor arguments -- everybody has their own opinion about flavor, only an argument based on game rules or a clarification from SP will put this (or any!) question properly to rest.

(In this case, a flavor counter-argument could be: It doesn't discard the other Blue Fish. So, it isn't like each Blue Fish represents a single fish that you caught and if there are two you can catch two. Rather, any day when you see two or more Blue Fish in your fishing check results is a day when Blue Fish are extremely plentiful. Perhaps they've come to the shallows to spawn or something. Anyway, they're everywhere. If you fish for them you can catch twice as many as you normally would and still let half of them or more go back to the deck. In that case, my blood in the water spooking a few individual Blue Fish doesn't really matter -- it's still a Plentiful Blue Fish day, I was going to let a bunch of Blue Fish get away no matter what, who cares if some of them get spooked?)

[Incidentally, if it did make you discard both Blue Fish, there would be no question. Obviously you can't discard a fish that's already been discarded. But I don't see any obvious reason why you wouldn't be able to count one. Other things that remove revealed cards from results are explicit about things like their stars not counting for successes, which suggests that, absent that rule telling you not to, you count things on revealed cards as they're revealed regardless of what might happen to them next...]

A related question that came up during the conversation:

Do you resolve all of a consequence box before moving on to cards it draws, or do you resolve them as soon as you draw it/choose them as a hunt result, and then go back and resolve the rest of the text box that sent you there?

This came up on BGG and lots of people had opinions about it but nobody could cite a specific rule, so I thought it might be worth posting here in hopes of getting an official clarification. This is a fairly minor, fairly technical question without much actual affect on the game, but I think it's worth doing right and playing as intended.

The 200 card Blue Fish says:


As I said it doesn't make a huge difference one way or another, but I'd like to know.